tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post114376376312909730..comments2023-07-22T02:24:37.709-07:00Comments on Donkey hunter: Virgin Studdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06745833118021274985noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post-1143835473220549772006-03-31T12:04:00.000-08:002006-03-31T12:04:00.000-08:00Geez, another thing I am really not used to in 7CS...Geez, another thing I am really not used to in 7CS coming from a Hold'em background is computing pot equity on a given street. In Hold'em there are always 47 unknown cards on the flop and 46 on the turn (unless one or more were exposed in a live game...)<BR/>In the posted hand, I believe I have 8 outs. There are 20 known cards (my 5, 4x3 board cards of my 4 opponents, and 3 door cards folded on 3rd st). 8/32 going into 6th st and 8/31 going to the river. This seems to be 45% pot equity to me.<BR/>Calculating pot equity is a lot of work!!!dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06745833118021274985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post-1143834625489558192006-03-31T11:50:00.000-08:002006-03-31T11:50:00.000-08:00D.S.C.I really don't have a good feel for the stre...D.S.C.<BR/><BR/>I really don't have a good feel for the strength of draws in 7CS. The 3 players behind me have 2-straights on their boards although they are all over the same range. This devalues those draws, right?<BR/><BR/>I agree that a very likely candidate that 3s folded was a gutshot broadway, and even before the action reaches him on 5th st (and I learn that he has a tough decision), this is likely given his 3rd and 4th st actions.<BR/><BR/>The way I was taught to count my outs (in Miller's Small Stakes Hold'em book) was to add 1 additional out for a backdoor draw. 8 outs makes me a 2.2:1 dog. The pot is 4.5BB when it is my turn to act. I definitely want 3s,4s,and 5s to fold, but even if only 1 calls (and 7s calls, and no one 3 bets,...yes a lot of ifs), the odds I am getting for all the money put in the pot on 5th st is not much lower than my pot equity.<BR/>Estimating fold equity is probably important here. The game has seemed pretty loose passive at that point, but I didn't recall any player calling 2 bets cold in any prior hand.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06745833118021274985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post-1143832222524411662006-03-31T11:10:00.000-08:002006-03-31T11:10:00.000-08:00Here is a helpful comment I received from D.S.C. i...Here is a helpful comment I received from D.S.C. in an email<BR/>-----------------------------<BR/>Since I’m not on Blogger you get an email. You are drawing to 7 outs, twice against 36 cards (pairing one of your low cards probably isn’t going to do much in this field if you get called all the way). You’re like a 2.5:1 dog to get there. Also, you are not really threatened by anyone’s board if you make your straight. Probably winners at this point are going to be a big pair or two pair somewhere. So, you really want value out of this hand. You need at least three people coming along to give you the drawing odds that you need to make money.<BR/><BR/>I’m not sure why the 3s folded. Maybe he put you squarely on wired 7s. Your checkraise says strength as you get to the big betting rounds. He’s probably in the tank because he’s got an inside Broadway draw and is trying to figure out if his high card outs are any good.<BR/><BR/>I haven’t played enough to know that it was good, but I probably would have played a little more passively to generate a little more value. Low-limit stud, like most low limit games, doesn’t generate a lot of fold equity.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06745833118021274985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post-1143832106933742512006-03-31T11:08:00.000-08:002006-03-31T11:08:00.000-08:00CC,I wish I had a better short term memory. I've ...CC,<BR/>I wish I had a better short term memory. I've been trying to learn the memorization techniques that were posted at 2+2.<BR/>http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=107695&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&vc=1<BR/>In this hand, I couldn't remember 5s board cards. I might have gotten the suits mixed up a little, but I did remember that only 4s had a 2 flush.<BR/>Davedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06745833118021274985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13105830.post-1143818901080981102006-03-31T07:28:00.000-08:002006-03-31T07:28:00.000-08:00I think your best move was getting everyone to fol...I think your best move was getting everyone to fold. That way you didn't have to remember what everyone mucked. Although maybe you have some sort of photographic memory.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10777389833765857820noreply@blogger.com